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Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2019 3:13:14 AM
To: pavle rrrrr
Subject: Hedges drivel
To: pavle rrrrr
Subject: Hedges drivel
“Will you be governed by our (the church) politics and abide by
its discipline?” Hedge, “Yes.” It’s so discouraging for me. On this and Russia.
So embarrassing to see him here. Imagine the hours of nonsense he had to study
for this. Help me understand.
The
plea from Scott needed to be answered. In a fashion, below.
But
first some background.
Scott
in SOCAL had provided the introduction to the writer, commentator and activist
Chris Hedges. Innumerable credits to the man’s name, though in the case of this
global citizen, quite unknown previously. It had been a revelation.
Chris
Hedges had learned at the feet of Noam Chomsky, “America’s greatest
intellectual” (Hedges). Hedges himself did exceptionally well with articulate
viewpoint, historical interpretation, scathing attacks on the elites &
corporates, the climate change deniers. A stirring voice.
Closely
familiar with the Muslim world; fluent in Arabic; a number of years in the
Balkans during the wars, before venturing further East. That the man was a
former seminarian made perfect sense: the passion, the phraseology and moral
standpoint all accorded. Lapsed in faith one assumed; doctrinal faith at least.
Or might he perhaps be one of those strange Christian Socialists, coming
through Marxism and communitarianism somehow.
There
had been a stint as a speech-writer for Ralph Nader. The Clinton cartel &
the Democrat establishment more broadly were roundly condemned. Obama was included
in that kettle of fish that kept a lid on things.
Cornel
West discovered to be a friend and ally—the African-American intellectual who
had called the first African-American President a Drone and Wall Street
President.
A
revelation, when there was so much need in the dark days of the Trump
Presidency and Bernie Sanders failing to follow up with enough hard push.
With
the help of Chris and Noam we had exposed the dirty clay feet of the performing
parrot Hitchens (peace be upon him where he lies); one of Scott’s former
“heroes.”
But
then, lo and behold! the discovery that Hedges had been ordained back a few
years. Some kind of conventional Christian in wolf’s clothing it appeared; church,
altar, doctrine, governing board to which submission was required.
Scott was climbing off dat bandwagon; impossible
to accept for Scott. All of the religions traded on a fundamental lie, Scott
held. (A lapsed Catholic and searcher himself of course.)
The
good man however sourced the home video of Chris’s ordination into the
Presbyterian Church in Elizabeth, New Jersey, circa 2014. An hour and one half plus
ceremony & associated.
Now
read on.
Gee!
What to say?
5 mins in. Don’t wanna sh_tcan the gathering too much; wanna hold back accusations of “drivel.” Kinda extend a bit of courtesy. Give them their belief and we retain ours. Is it necessary to confront and accuse?
For one thing it’s a form and manner notice. Note the metaphors: “Were you there when they crucified on the cross so-and-so & so-and-so?....” The congregation was there in spirit and continued to acknowledge and honour the past martyrs, including MLK, Malcolm X &etc.
Certainly it’s not to my taste or measure. But, you know, contradictions.
5 mins in. Don’t wanna sh_tcan the gathering too much; wanna hold back accusations of “drivel.” Kinda extend a bit of courtesy. Give them their belief and we retain ours. Is it necessary to confront and accuse?
For one thing it’s a form and manner notice. Note the metaphors: “Were you there when they crucified on the cross so-and-so & so-and-so?....” The congregation was there in spirit and continued to acknowledge and honour the past martyrs, including MLK, Malcolm X &etc.
Certainly it’s not to my taste or measure. But, you know, contradictions.
Yester.
I went out to lunch with a friend, a former Metho Minister who has since
crossed to the devil’s party. In the car a passage of Bach I think it must have
been poured out fr the FM station more cool and refreshing, more uplifting than
the aircon even. (I have listened to almost no music near 15 yrs. A freak,
granted. The effect esp. heightened.) So, what about that, being a bystander to
ol’ Johann Sebastian’s stirring faith? Takes some figuring don’t it my
man.
Living in this community of believers here so long, over 7 years, a remarkable experience. My wonderful Jap mate Hideo Asano—plz read his book An American Breakfast—was the first to point out to me: Far, far better to live within a community of believers, than that consumerist SH_Thole that we know so well those of us who have endured it in the West. Even if we can’t believe ourselves, mark you. (Hideo was classic Zen Man.)
Another contradiction I leave with you, Scottie. When I figure it out properly I’ll lecher know.
My preliminary remarks thus far to help you settle a bit and allow a bit of room for this man we both admire a great deal, Chris Hedges.
Not sure, and I kinda seriously doubt, that I can watch the entire 1½ hrs? Kinda plan to try.
Salam & shanti
P
P. S. It’s not just the Mussies here either, though they are my immed, brothers in the neighbourhood. My dear old Catlady in the house is a JW. Kinda nice she wants to save me for Jehovah. Another Jap friend Yasu was 10 yrs homeless; played his keyboard out front of Citylights there next to you. BIG devotee of Amma—you know, the Indian hugger maternal Mamma. Yas. tells me she’s a god; got extra atman. (We all have the atman, but some more than others; &etc.) The Hindus—pretty damn well captivating at their best. (Buddhists & Christians somewhat less so, though they too have their angelic messengers/diminutive gods…. More sweets and fruit cups tossed in through my window this afternoon while I was out by Josephine, another Christian catlady, of a different stripe.)
Living in this community of believers here so long, over 7 years, a remarkable experience. My wonderful Jap mate Hideo Asano—plz read his book An American Breakfast—was the first to point out to me: Far, far better to live within a community of believers, than that consumerist SH_Thole that we know so well those of us who have endured it in the West. Even if we can’t believe ourselves, mark you. (Hideo was classic Zen Man.)
Another contradiction I leave with you, Scottie. When I figure it out properly I’ll lecher know.
My preliminary remarks thus far to help you settle a bit and allow a bit of room for this man we both admire a great deal, Chris Hedges.
Not sure, and I kinda seriously doubt, that I can watch the entire 1½ hrs? Kinda plan to try.
Salam & shanti
P
P. S. It’s not just the Mussies here either, though they are my immed, brothers in the neighbourhood. My dear old Catlady in the house is a JW. Kinda nice she wants to save me for Jehovah. Another Jap friend Yasu was 10 yrs homeless; played his keyboard out front of Citylights there next to you. BIG devotee of Amma—you know, the Indian hugger maternal Mamma. Yas. tells me she’s a god; got extra atman. (We all have the atman, but some more than others; &etc.) The Hindus—pretty damn well captivating at their best. (Buddhists & Christians somewhat less so, though they too have their angelic messengers/diminutive gods…. More sweets and fruit cups tossed in through my window this afternoon while I was out by Josephine, another Christian catlady, of a different stripe.)
Note
I am not mentioning any religious leaders or doctrine, holy text and the like.
Rather the life of the ordinary folk imbued with something. Something better
than Surfin USA.
This is a kinda answer too for the puzzle why I’m not in Thailand in a beachside condo, where the rent would be cheaper than my digs here.
This is a kinda answer too for the puzzle why I’m not in Thailand in a beachside condo, where the rent would be cheaper than my digs here.
13½ mins now a bit grueling. Don’t know for whose benefit the
service/occasion is delivered. Right now my feeling is this is a closed event
for the particular group—New Jersey Presbyts and not of wider interest. Why
filmed? Don’t know, unless for their records.
Eunice (Hedges’ wife) is a bit over-ripe too. Her poetry and drama mission might be OK, but, again, I don’t see the wider relevance. Maybe we ought to know how prisoners suffer. Well, yeah. Maybe some people have no idea.
Don’t quite yet wanna say “drivel.”
Ah.... Gee, it would be hard to sit through entire. You would have to have a whole lotta s’thing I haven’t got in order for that to happen. I mean on the pews soaking it all in real time.
Gunna give it another shot—hoping this dude who follows Eunice doesn’t build up too much steam.
Salam & shanti
P
Eunice (Hedges’ wife) is a bit over-ripe too. Her poetry and drama mission might be OK, but, again, I don’t see the wider relevance. Maybe we ought to know how prisoners suffer. Well, yeah. Maybe some people have no idea.
Don’t quite yet wanna say “drivel.”
Ah.... Gee, it would be hard to sit through entire. You would have to have a whole lotta s’thing I haven’t got in order for that to happen. I mean on the pews soaking it all in real time.
Gunna give it another shot—hoping this dude who follows Eunice doesn’t build up too much steam.
Salam & shanti
P
Guessed
I do not come to bring peace. I come to
bring a sword.... had to appear, didn’t I. Think I told you. Christ not
only the Redeemer but the swashbuckling Superhero. You gotta like that, the
muscular Jesus righting the wrongs of the world. What good was he otherwise?
But,
yeah, tedium. Still don’t wanna say “drivel.” A gathering of two dozen maybe.
No reason for wide broadcast I think. I can’t however resist the peephole, not
when Cornie and Chris are spotlit getting down and dirty with their godworship.
My kinda porn. Don’t much like the other. Call me a nut, don’t care. Highbrows
have this kinda weakness.
James
H. Cone, the other chap w. Cornel up at the pulpit, spoke OK, but I wasn’t
lookin to enlist after that pitch of his. Like you, bit baffled what all the
enthusiasm was about: Chris had this guy as riveting damnbusting on this
particular occasion of his ordination. A number of references to it in his
subsequent speeches... You gotta be in the circle I’m thinking, carry some of
the fire in yr belly. (Eunice again jarring, she delivered a witticism about
her daring dress and glitter. Must say, the robes the ladies wear here when
they enter the place of worship seems to me far more fitting. The Muslims. Any
hint of fashion show outta order. You’re either doing something in these places
of worship and prayer, or you’re doing something else. Muslim men sometimes
bedeck themselves overmuch for the Friday attendance, granted.)
Almost
a third in.
The
Mussie guy I’m seeing most of here the last 3 - 4 months always avoids the
sermons on the Friday. Goes for the gathering; for the prayer. I like that. In
no need of direction for his worship. (Muslims largely make their own way in faith,
leaders and preachers side-lined. “I have no Pope,” they will often tell you.) Nice,
penetrating guy this one. Bizman made lottsa $$$$. You mighta read bout him in
a recent post, “The Deep End.” You went in deep yerself Scottie. But a White
guy. Big BIG difference, as I’m sure you’d know, trying to turn a dollar in
foreign parts without the East India Co. behind you, or US troops bayonets
drawn.
I’m
taking notes as I proceed. For my own purposes.
Thought
it a bit weird the bearded pastor whatever before the ol Black man, Professor
Cone, citing the stream that, Never, never, never ran dry. (Think like Peter
denouncing Christ before the cock crow—thrice times.) Clearly a dated occasion.
The waters of Jordan aint no more. Climate change was still gettin up a head of
steam back in 2014. If Chris was being ordained in this current year of our
Lord there would have been another passage chosen.
Salam
& shanti
P
Almost
half through: Prof. Cone overrated and going on a bit long. Not sure how Hedges
can sit there listening to so much praise of himself. A bit indecent. Certainly
wife Eunice carried a borderline look of self-satisfaction on her face couple
of camera pans. Their son—or Chris’s son fr an earlier marriage—lad looked
irredeemably White—might have squirmed once under the onslaught.
A
good line from MLK against the positivists: Life is a long corridor of travail
with no exit sign. (Cornel citing.) Won’t suit you hearin that Scottie, you who
wanna skid into the ditch with a worn out body after experiencing all the
highs. But there you have it, Comrade, straight from Martin.
Phyllis
the Inquisitor asks him point blank whether he will subject himself to the
discipline of the church. (Near the hour.) Well, he knew that was coming of
course. Rather disappointing I grant you. What the heck was he getting himself
into? What has he foregone bending to that? Don’t like it no mor’ ‘n you
Scottie. Can’t help thinking how it colours his encounters with the Muslims,
the Buddhists and those on the other side. What happens there? He standing in
the light of the Lord whatnot, and those others in a fair bit of dark strife?
Lost? The vast majority traveling on this planet of ours, lost to redemption? Of
course only HE knows, as the Mussies around me here would respond to any curly question.
But, you know, while these pious seek their hereafter they must logically leave
the rest of us behind. Their god can’t save all.
At
the same time I do wanna tell ya Scottie, the man I call my ustad here (guru), does hold that Allah
unquestionably accepts all. There is no hell, just as the Virgins &etc. are
nonsense, according to Zainuddin Ismail Mohammad, a self-described goofy Sufi.
No con. True coin. Still waiting to hear the same fr any ordained Christian
Minister. Chris Hedges included with all his Arab and Black African friends.
NB.
Neither am I accepting yr “drivel” bear in mind. Don’t wanna substitute another
word either. Mite tedious watching I will say that much. Lacking in force. None
of the oration compelling.
Salam
& shanti
P
Following
in his honoured father’s footsteps explains a lot to me. A great deal. This is
how a blessed kind of inheritance spins onward. On my side I feel it most
strongly; and consequently feel sad for people who are bereft in that regard;
ie. the children of fumbling, failing, inadequate, fainthearted parents.
Missed
the entirety of Chris’ anecdote about the Catholic (?) priest Bob commenting he
would like to bring down the Cross from over a church where they were standing
and replace it with an electric chair. Can see his point! Very fitting. You
seen any of those chairs mounted high over there? (They like the rope in
Singapore too. Lotta fervent Christian, Hindu & Buddhist Ministers lined up
behind that State murder.)
This
all around the hour. Thirty-one minutes remaining. Cakes & tea I’m
expecting soaking up a bit of the last.
Haven’t
noticed any prisoners attending by the way. Death-rowers evidently don’t get
outings, o’wise they would have filled the pews? But one or two poor, ill-dressed
mighta bin nice. They sure as hell talked a lot about ‘em up at the pulpit.
None to be seen.
Salam
& Shanti
P
A
little guesswork required with the poor vision and failing sound: old Father
Bob Smith gets his feet washed as part of proceedings. Uncertain whether a
couple other feet following too. (Again, all clean feet; didn’t notice beggars
or prostitutes.)
Now,
a rusted-on, truly immovably rusted, fan of Cooorn’el West must keep the faith
and report that littel riff at the ordination of his great friend Christopher
Hedges, before his various children, fell rather short of Cornie’s best most
captivating performance. None of the congregation fallin in the aisle that I
did make out. A bit flat & insipid. No hype, no razzamatazz sought; no
complaint. Just reporting the plain facts.
Hour
ten mins. thereabout. Four dozen perhaps attending turns out. Home-stretch now.
(Could any other non-church member have watched the whole thing through from go
to woe? Doubt it. Curiosity. Nothing of the sort ever witnessed previously. You
guys over there might get bombarded all hours.
Correction:
that was 1:06min. Whereafter Cornel claims the South American Liberation
Theology in fact came out of the Black church in Arkansas it may have been. No
need question veracity.
Perfectly
in order Cornie when he gets going after the earlier feet-washing segment
moving to the point that coming in to the mission, being grounded in the blood of
slavery was indispensable. That lens
enabled one to understand a wee bit better so much everything else. The Black
struggle did not claim ownership outright of the worst woe that had ever been
in creation; but coming to terms with that history, colonialism, sexism, misogyny
and all the rest could be more properly comprehended... Fully agree. And
slavery more broadly too. Happened upon a text the other day that suggested
early last century the hajj in fact
covered for a sizeable slave trade in Mecca. None are guiltless.
Apt
challenge put: how much heaven you gonna leave behind betw yr mother’s womb and
the tomb?... Cornie blowing a cornet. Nicely delivered. (A minute earlier he
was talking about the integral function of music in the church and in worship.
Well a Black guy coming fr where he comes from, yeah, would say that. Others
prefer something different. The stone quiet of these Muslims can grow on a man.
Certainly no musical lightening is allowed them. (Well, not in their worship. Maybe
a little in the run-up to the Prophet’s birthday was permitted, male voices in
choir. But not Allah, front-on and direct. That was too much.)
The
band didn’t seem particularly inspired by the way. Paid gig feel.
NB.
Michael Parker Blues Band (1:14mins.).
When the gal broke into Amazing Grace
that was a bit of something. Not exactly Maria Call., but properly fetching.
Salam
& shanti
P
So.
Here we are arrived. His dear much honoured Dad.
It’s
a pretty nice story he tells of being in the stairwell with him. The expected
ordination couldn’t be undertaken at that stage, young Chris having his heart
set on the world and reporting. Disappointing the father. For all that, dad didn’t
say much. A moment’s pause, before the old man came to give the thumbs up.
You,
said Hedge senior to junior, are ordained to write...
Setting
off for the first war zone, Iraq/Kuwait it may have been. Like the seeking out
of the deathrowers, the tracking of the US military machine maybe makes one
think what’s going on there. Some kinda proving of self; seeking of the fire
and trial. Wanting to watch god’s works where the wheels have fallen off. A
fire-breathing, restless father mighta put that into the son.
Then
these so many years later able to find the means to join his father’s ministry.
Complete the circle, as he said. Not an impulse difficult to understand.
A
journo at the Holiday Inn at Sarajevo
or somewhere else had told Chris, — You might not be a journalist, but you’re
sure as hell a preacher...
A
Presbyt. Minister himself the dad. Boy/man Chris wanting/needing to follow the
footsteps. Honour the good, loved father. No complaint my side for the kind of
accommodation involved. Intellectual betrayal too easy an accusation.
Lucky
the man who had a hugely inspirational father before him. Possibly only the
Christian Faith offered the deepest resonance of this particular form.
Scott,
I’m going to swallow the whole of this show as a concession to Chris Hedges,
for everything I have seen, heard and read that followed & preceded this
event in New Jersey. All the On Contact
interviews, all the various speeches, the Truthdig
articles.
1:18
thereabouts. Don’t feel like it would be betraying any principle. An allowance
extended.
If
the man started proselytizing and carrying on that would be another matter. All
his previous references to Jesus had been OK for me. An historical figure of
some stature no reason to cavil. We leave aside the rest, the leap. The deep
yawning abyss confronts us, right? What kinda jump needed to clear up to each
of us.
You
imagine Chris would fight within the church for this and that interpretation,
viewpoint and stance. One needs allies. I’d prefer some kind of commune model
myself, but you know how hard.
Salam
& shanti
P
Lastly.
“Senseless,
stupid kindness... the more stupid and senseless the vaster it is...” And the
more it conquers, it might have been.
Well,
rushed speechwriting by the sounds. No wonder Ralph polled so poorly against W.
wasn’t it? But he’s allowed a little infelicity every now and again. Eunice
probably had a jittery day preparing a role and needed attention.
Hardly
a notch above the purple & gold car sticker proclaiming the efficacy of random
acts of kindness; &etc. There has been the very same push here, kindness, kindness, kindness, run over a
number of years in all the media. One of the strategies the politico branding
department use to restore the people’s spirit after the towers, corridors & neat garden beds replaced the kampungs,
forest malls sprouted.
Finale
from the band Sweet Love, Sweet Chariot—the
up tempo pretty pedestrian and the first tame version even worse. Members of
the congregation hoisted themselves up from the pews heavily.
Embarrassing,
you said. Well, there was that. But it was possible to penetrate a little
further too.
Suits
and ties didna help any certainly for this viewer.
Salam
& Shanti
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